American Income Life
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Category: Business & Finances
Contact Information United States
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American Income Life Reviews
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September 15, 2008
Integrity of Company
As a recent college graduate, I too, found myself slaving away for what was supposedly going to be "financial freedom". It began like this...
AIL REP: Hello, my name is "insert name here", with American Income, I'm calling in regards to your resume posted online. I'd like to ask you a few questions if you have a moment.
Me: Sure?
AIL REP: Are you currently employed?
Me: No
AIL REP: Who was your most recent employer?
Me: I just graduated college, but I worked there.
AIL REP: Okay, did you have an opportunity to supervise or manage other employees?
Me: In previous jobs, yes.
AIL REP: Great! Let me tell you a little about us...
... and that's where it all began.
I scheduled a personal interview and went to meet with the people who were going to show me how to become financially free. As I arrived for the interview, I noticed that there were several other well dressed individuals that appeared to be interviewing for the same position. The receptionist had me sign in on a list following several other people who had their names, phone numbers, and then another random name by them. Again, this seemed very odd to me. As I waited I started a conversation with the person next to me about what they had applied for. They told me that they didn't know which seemed odd yet again, but gave me some sort of comfort being that I was no longer alone.
As we sat and waited for our interviews, more and more people kept coming in asking about interviews, but these people had ranged from other business looking professionals, to high school students, to construction workers covered with mud in overalls. As these people came in, others were shown either out the door or into what appeared to be a group interview. This place looked like a machine, people in, people out.
I was called for my interview, so I got up and walked with the gentleman, but was curious as I did not get to meet with the person that I spoke with on the phone, I got to meet with one of the managers. I felt pretty good about this as he said that he had already read over my resume and I looked like a great fit for the company and that I would make 50-60k first year and well over 100k each year after that. I was still not sure what the job was all about, but the money sure was enticing. I was passed onto stage two, the group interview.
Transitioning my way from the first interview to the second yet again seemed odd. Something just wasn't right but I couldn't place my finger on it. When I walked into the room for the group interview there were three other men in suits that were filling out some paperwork. I again struck up conversation as we waited only to find that none of us had any idea what we were doing there, but again, none of us wanted to argue with the money.
After waiting for twenty minutes or so, a confident well dressed man entered the room and said that he was the state director and he was going to give us a run through on how the company worked. He started telling us about how successful he was and how he started the company and bla bla bla... I started to fade away as he started going from confident to arrogant and obnoxious drastically quick. What I took from this group interview was how to make money, and this is where I found out that it was on a strict commission basis. I had never worked on commission and I felt uneasy about this, but as a recent college grad, I felt that I could accomplish anything.
After wasting an hour listening to the state director go off about not settling for "meterocracy" yes, I know how I spelled that, he actually said "meterocracy". He also mentioned that he gets "flusterated" yes, "flusterated". Was he making up words or was he just that dumb? I left the group interview and went home thinking about the money.
A couple days later I got a call about coming in for a third interview. I accepted the invite, thinking only of the money, still not 100% sure what this company did. When I went in for the third interview, the interviewer asked me when I could start making money and that was it, couldn't they do this over the phone? Oh well, a pointless meeting, but I got the job.
Very similar to many other complaints on this company I found myself in the "boot camp" period. This is where my social live took a dive, my family worried about me, and my girlfriend at the time started questioning my judgment. I don't have all day so I'll hit the most painful parts of the "job". During boot camp I was in training around 25 hours a week and I was "required" to ride along with other agents to learn what they were doing, this was roughly another 10 more hours a week. On top of this I was required to come into the office in the mornings and "learn how to be a manager" which consisted of making phone calls to prospective employees. At this time I realized why I was called. I was handed a stack of 100 resumes and told that before I went home, I had to set 15 interviews for that week. So I prepared to call and then I was told that they had to give me a copy of what to say to get people in for interviews. I though this was weird because it seemed like we had to coax people to come in for interviews. I was handed a script (yes a script) the same thing that I was told over the phone.
I called all morning, and not being a person that particularly liked the phone, this was not something I wanted to do. I called from 8:30 to roughly 2:00 and set a few, not the required fifteen. I stuttered on the phone and was not confident that I wanted to do this any longer and it showed on the phone, I was not good.
This went on for two weeks, the calling, the training, the ride alongs and I was still yet to make a dime. In fact, I had to pay for union dues, a test prep class, and an insurance test which ended up being around $250. That is a lot of money for someone that just graduated college and has not been paid for work that they have done for two weeks. I kept asking myself, why I was doing this, but the promise and the lure of making 60k was on my brain.
As time went on and I kept coming in doing work for free, my friends and family were asking how much money I was making and other questions of the sort and I had to explain why I had been working for almost a month and had not made any money. I tried to come up with a reason, but couldn't. I felt like an idiot.
Throughout training I would ask questions and would frequently get the reply "You're too smart, just dumb it down a little". I had a difficult time "dumbing it down" so my manager told me that we were dealing with union people, they are not that bright, just get the sale. It's all about ALP. Keep it simple, stop giving them so many choices. ALP = Annual Life Premium
Back to the office...
I had started to learn the swing of how things worked and found that if someone calls you, and you come in for an interview and sign on, they become your manager. Huh, I thought, who is my manager? I asked around and found out that the guy who called me didn't get me and I went to one of the more experienced managers. The guy who called me realized that he wasn't making any money and left the company after a month. I then asked where the people were that I called in and why wasn't I a manager as there were three people that I called in that had signed on to work at the company. I was told that I was still in training and everyone I called went to the manager ahead of me. Sounded fishy, it felt wrong, but I passed it off as "paying my dues" BIG MISTAKE.
I continued to "pay my dues" for a couple of months and was full of anger that I was being taken advantage of, yet, I stayed with the company and decided to stick it out. Heck, I got this far, it must get better.
Long story short, nearly a year later I had seen agents come and go and found myself very high on the seniority latter in this branch. I asked where everyone else was before me and I was told that they were all promoted and moved out of state. That seemed a convenient get away answer as there was no one that could contradict what they had told me as I was very high on the seniority list and no one to contend.
In my time working for American Income Life I had counted over 30 agents had come and gone in the first two months and I couldn't see why. As time when on, so did the newness of the company and the "opportunities". I made a decent living while I worked there or so I thought(see below), but I was required to drive 8 hours away from home and stay in hotels frequently.
(from above) What they never told you... some of it anyway. You pay for all of the following... transportation (including gas), your own office supplies, you must pay union dues that you never get anything from, and office rent, yes office rent. After I calculated it out, I was nearly sick. I found that I had paid $200 per month to rent an office that I got no money for working out of. I paid under $50 per month for union dues. I also paid just shy of $4/gallon for gas that I spent driving to the homes of my appointments for which there was a %50 no show ration. Please read that again. %50 no show ratio. I spent all that money and saw what I thought to be a nice paycheck. I did not net much money while working here and I certainly have had a difficult time regaining my social life.
Other random things that happened while I worked there.
I was advised to give other agents my business.
I was told that women were not good workers, so don't rely on them.
I witnessed management get rich and screw everyone else.
The state director made sexist comments on women, daily.
The state director made sexual comments about female workers.
The state director made advances on my girlfriend.
The state director made sure that everyday we knew how much we sucked at what we did and we were not helping his net worth.
The state director told us on a regular basis that we were going to be "taken out", whatever that meant.
Much much more...
If you get a call from American Income Life, don't waste your time. I feel as if I have lost a step and my vocabulary has diminished after this unfortunate experience. I was promised that I would be out of the field after six months yet after nine months I was working harder then before, and getting yelled at more. The painful amount of verbal beat down that we would get daily is just short of abuse. No matter what you did earlier that week, you always needed to do more. If you wanted a day off, you were a fool. If you wanted two days off, you were on the brink of being fired. If you choose to work here, you are entering a prison. Your manager will need to know where you are and what your doing 24/7. I know, I was with this company and saw how it works from many angles. Leaving before a "promotion" to M.G.A. left me with enough bad memories to post this and reveal A.I.L. to anyone that asks. Please don't feed the machine, you will regret it.
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August 19, 2008
fishing scam/pyramid scheme
I was also contacted by a persisent person from American Income Life trying to schedule me for an interview. I asked if this was a scam and if this position was commissioned based only. They responded with no and that they were interviewing for senior, middle management as well as sales position. I scheduled the interview in hopes that it was not a scam. However I recalled that I only submitted my resume with cell number on careerbuilder but never applied for any position in the insurance field. I searched the internet and found someone had also filed a complaint against American Income Life with the same person I was scheduled to interview with, Jim Logan. Luckily I found the complaint and saw that they interviewed people and then asked for money in order to train their employees..definitely not a fortune 500 company! Dont waste your time!! Thanks to the person who posted before me and hopefully I can prevent someone from wasting their time to interview with companies asking for money for training their employees!
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March 20, 2008
Interviewed with these AS*ES today!
I was contacted by American Income Life on March 19th by a cellular phone, and told that they had viewed my resume at either Career Builders or the Monster website and that they wanted me to come in for an interview the next morning which would take approximately 2 1/2 hours. I then asked what position they were considering me for and what type of company they were. At which time I was told that it was a managers position at a fortune 500 company, and that they would train me in their office and that would also be paid. Needless to say when arrived at the AIL office it was packed with people we were instructed to sign in and hand our resumes to the receptionist. We were all interviewed individually and then sent into a group interview hosted by Jim Logan. During my interview alone I was told some of companies background, that they would assist me in getting the tools needed to work as a manager in their company, not to mention that Hunter who interviewed me had only been at the company for about 9 months, also out of the four employees/managers in the office only maybe 1 was with the company longer than 9 months which just happened to be the receptionist. Huh, now this definitely doesn't sound like a fortune 500 company with a high turnover, NOT!!! Then during the group interview which sounded like a recording I was informed that I would need $99 for the classes that would take a week online to get certified by the state to sale insurance to guaranteed leads, and $106 to attain the actual license itself, which I needed to have on hand at the 3rd and final interview tomorrow 03/21/08. So Where did the paid training go?! They reviewed my resume, and told me that I had what they were looking for so why in the hell do I need to pay for anything to work for them? I was seeking a job not looking to pay money to have a job! American Income Life is a joke and they to be reported to career/ job finding websites about the way they are scamming people and giving them false hope of a secure career with growth opportunity and benefits. They sold me a false dream of finally having the financial security that I want for myself and family our future. AIL wasted my precious time that I could have used to find a real job with growth opportunities. I am now scared of having my resume posted for employers to view, because they all maybe scams and I don't have time to waste playing the fool following false dreams.
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January 11, 2008
Scam and cheating!
I was an employee of this company who relies on the inexperience of new agents to run this scam on union members and their friends (family). Many of the agents truly believe that they are helping out union members due to the fact that they themselves have been brainwashed. The objective is to get as many sales as possible regardless of what means they need to use. The agents will lie to the union members on the phone in order to book the appointments, and if they miscalculate the costs of a policy, they will simply leave products promised to them off of the policy. Though it is unethical, they will encourage people to drop their other policies for American Incomes more expensive policy. And when they are unsure of facts they make them up, including scaring people into believing that they will not have enough money for burial. The agents also sell products to people without making them aware of the fact that the products will change or drop off at a certain age. And falsely advising them on policies that they are unfamiliar with.
After doing my research I could no longer sell the product. I just wish I could encourage all the union members to be cautious!
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December 13, 2007
Don't be fooled!
I totally agree with all of your comments. I, too and the other people I trained with was led to believe we were getting a guarantee for six months. So, after we had been there a couple of weeks we asked our manager and found out the truth about the so-called guarantee. Another thing that I really disliked about the company was the training. This was the most unorganized training I have ever seen. It was only supposed to take two weeks but it actually took about 3 -4 weeks and all of it was unpaid. What a bunch of cheap bastards that can't even pay you while you train.
The next thing the managers don't tell you is that all of these leads are union members that are really just signing up for Free Stuff and then on the bottom of the card in small print it tells them somebody will discuss their insurance with them. I was led to believe when I got hired that these people actually wanted to hear about insurance and that is why they sent back their card. They are just baiting and switching.
The newest thing now is the Child Safe Kit. What agents do is put sign up boxes in places like daycares for a free child safe kit. Then the agents call these people that signed up to deliver the free child safe kits and when the agent gets in the home they start trying to sell insurance. What a scam!!!
I was also told when I started the travel would be minimal. But this was not true either a lot of my appointments were at least 45 miles from home and with high gas prices that can get very expensive. And after being there about a month, I was told that we didn't have very many leads for our town and we would have to travel more. What happened to all these unlimited leads I was told about.
Don't be fooled by the fact that when hired, you are told you are and independent contractor. You have very little freedom and are required to be at two weekly meetings. I thought being an independent contractor meant you do your own thing and work your own hours. But not with this company, you have no freedom.
In closing, my advice is if you ever get a call from American Income Life about a job interview, hang up the phone right away. They paint a very good picture and promise you that you will make big bucks. But for the most part it is all lies and half-truths.
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December 6, 2007
company
I just read this blog about american income life and was totally amazed by the lack of truth to the whole situation. After reading this blog, I went and did my own research and found that American Income life is the fastest growing insurance company in the WORLD. They are in all 50 states and 17 countries abroad. The have been in business since 1924 and have never done any advertising. They supply Life and health insurance to labor union, credit unions, and large associations. They have been doing this for over 56 years and have an A+ superior ratiing with AM Best. Which is the highest rating an insurance company can have based upon market share and customer service. Sounds pretty strong to me! Jonathan obviously wasn't listening very well when he went through the interviews because it is one of the biggest selling points that the managers talk about. No other company in the world has grown this fast, this large, with NO advertisment. This company has provided these benifits to the Police, firefighters and labor unions for 56 yrs with little to NO complaints.
Also I went on insure.com and pulled down individual life insurance and found that American Income Life was ranked 3rd in the state of Colorado with over 756 companies in the state!
I don't believe that Jonathan really did any homework. I believe that Jonathan was not hired and is very upset about loosing the opportunity and now has spent all of his time whinning about it to the public.
There is a reason that American Income Life does a 3 phase interview process and that is to find the top 10% of the best out there and not hirer losers like Jonathan!
No comapany in the world could be as strong as American Income Life is without be a Great comapny and never have to advertise. All of their business comes from referrals and if your not doing a great job and providing an outstanding service your not going to make it in todays times.
I think the success of American Income life speaks volumes for itself!
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November 16, 2007
Fraud & cheating!
I received a call from a Charles Byrd of American Income at my home. I was immediately suspicious for two reasons: he called from a cell phone and started asking questions about my child. He already had too much information about my family, and was trying to lure me in by offering to register my child with a "child safety kit". He offered to call back if I wanted to think it over, but I told him I would contact him with my decision. I went online to research the company, and found this site with quite a few complaints about this so-called Life Insurance company.
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September 17, 2007
Poor service!
I've been looking online lately for complaints about American Income Life. That is the life insurance company that deals with present union workers and past ones also. The point is... I wanted to make sure people heard this concern for people this year.
American Income is not like the other insurance companies. They make you believe you are so important and need to work for this company. In fact when I worked for them, the same company in another city didn't even know I was working for them and tried to recruit me for American Income... the same company tried to recruit me for the same company!!
Anyway, I want everyone to know they just want bodies. Bodies that will work for them free for 12 hours a day. Calling people to book appointments. You have to book appts each Monday and Thurs from 4pm till 9pm. 7 a day is what they want. There are no excuses why you can't or won't. The worst was when my husband was hurt and needed me, I had to have a meeting with the boss who gave me the third degree. The worst was when my kids had a concert at school and all I got was, "Can't someone else go instead of you"? It wasn't a request, it was a demand! That was it. No more of 12 hours a day..no more, "What happened why didn't you sell the appt" I wasn't going to be bullied anymore from a company that didn't pay me except when I sold the appt. I didn't get gas money nor mileage. I knew I was selling insurance but I thought insurance people sell where ever they are. Whether at home or at the office. This company wants you at the office twice a week to be at a meeting and book appts as I said.
If anyone calls you and says, "We say your resume on Monster, you qualify for management at American Income" HANG THE PHONE UP FAST! Don't waste money going to the interview, especially getting your temp insurance license. They only want bodies to make more money for them!!!
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August 29, 2006
Don't go through with it!
I too received an email from AIL claiming they got it off of Monster.com and that I had just what they were looking for and could potentially make more than $60k in my first year. Intrigued by the salary, I followed the lead further.
Luckily, I did more indepth research on AIL since their company website had minimal information. I stumbled upon this website and found over 50 statements. I was so shocked to read what others went through because I heard much of the SAME EXACT dialogue from the HR representative who I spoke to. I found it odd that he told me that I should "dress professionally" and that I should bring in "a crisp new resume." When I spoke to the HR Rep at AIL, I asked what the job title was and he would not answer that question directly. He only beat around the bush by saying we will train you to be a manager. Like so many others, I was told to plan on a 2 1/2 hour interview. They are reading off of a script!!
After reading the messages posted, I decided that I would never have anything to do with a company like this and called to cancel my interview. When I called, I could not reach the HR rep NOR could I leave a voicemail. The receptionist took down my message. I read this same scenario on another woman's posting. Fishy, huh??
My advise to others: DON'T GO THROUGH WITH IT. I'm so happy I never went through with the interview.
Jessica,
Carlsbad, California.
Company details:
American Income Life - AIL
Address: Oberlin Drive
San Diego California 92121
USA.
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