ASF International

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640 plaza drive suite 300, Highlands Ranch, Colorado, United States

Phone number: 1-800-525-8967

ASF International Reviews

Lina December 19, 2008
Terrible company
I signed a contract with Knuckle Up Fitness in Douglasville, GA, in May 2007 for Brazilian Jiu Jitsu classes. I was injured in a car accident in Sept. 2007. I did not try to cancel my contract until March 2008 because my doctor told me that I should be able to resume normal activities in 3-6 months. When I realized that it would take a lot longer for me to heal, I sent a letter to Knuckle Up to cancel my contract under the 'permanent disability' clause.

I received a letter from ASF International in April 2008 stating that they needed a letter from my doctor on letterhead in order to cancel the contract. I received a letter stating that I was injured in Sept. 2007 and was still undergoing treatment and that I could not participate in Jiu Jitsu classes. ASF repeatedly rejected this letter because it did not contain the phrases 'permanently disabled' and '45 days.' ASF continued to bill me a monthly fee.

I filed a complaint with the Denver Better Business Bureau (denver.bbb.org), of which ASF is a member (in good standing, if you can believe that). In response that that complaint, ASF sent me a letter stating that my contract was cancelled and that I had no further financial obligation. I also sent a letter to the CEO of Knuckle Up Fitness. This letter was referred to Knuckle Up's general counsel, who contacted me and arranged for reimbursement of all monthly fees paid since ASF received my initial cancellation request. I spoke with the general counsel yesterday and expect to receive a check in a few days.

I recommend that people having trouble dealing with ASF contact the gym they originally signed a contract with and ask for the name and contact information for their general counsel and file a complaint with the Denver BBB.
October 16, 2008
Awful experience
I signed a contract to participate in Ju-jitsu with local gym. My knee became tender after exercise and then I suffered a separated shoulder a month later while rolling. The shoulder took 16 weeks to heal. I visited the doctor to find out why the minor separation was slow to heal; I was diagnosed with hypermobility (frequent knee dislocation, winged scapula, double-jointed). He recommended that I cease further strenuous activity on my knees to avoid any long-term debilitating complications due to my genetic hyperelasticity. The doctor wrote a note on official letterhead listing that the patient has 'chronic knee problem' and further stated explicitly that this prevents engagement in martial arts (among other activities). ASF rejected the doctor's note on the grounds that 'chronic' is not the same as 'permanent disability'.

The contract that I signed with my local gym does not stipulate that 'permanent disability' needs to be explicitly stated on the note, but rather any injury that bars the student from fulfilling his/her contractual obligation to use the facility to his/her fullest extent during the length of the contract. I am quoting the terms of the contract, because ASF is known for its quick “read the contract" remark on complaintsboard:

'In the event student becomes permanently disabled and/or injured during the membership term, he/she may cancel the contract upon notice to the school of such disability and/or injury. For the purposes of this agreement, 'PERMANENT DISABILITY AND/OR INJURY' shall be DEFINED as any disability and/or injury that PREVENTS the student from utilizing the school's services to the SAME EXTENT as was possible PRIOR TO THE ONSET of the disability and/or injury for the entire duration of the contractual term herein. Student must provide notice from a licensed [sic] medical doctor confirming that the disability or injury is permanent for purposes [sic] of this agreement.'

The doctor I spoke with informed me that writing 'PERMANENTLY DISABLED' carries severe implications with regards to insurance premiums. This is probably why ASF requests this to cancel any contract as a result of a long-term injury (although, again, this requirement is not stated explicitly on the contract). I am in my mid 20s and besides the soft knees and highly flexible scapula, am in excellent shape, at least internally. I don't know many people who are aware of future consequences that continue to practice an activity that will worsen the problem later on down the road.

I called ASF and spoke with two managers, the first of whom was quite curt and unhelpful. The second manager whom I spoke with, Danielle V., was slightly more understanding but unwavering of ASF's 'policies' (which again aren't even stated verbatim on the contract). She further insulted me by stating that my condition is like her type I diabetes, which she noted as 'chronic', but categorized it as a 'disease'. Unfortunately a chronic knee condition, whose symptoms cannot be cured, mitigated, or even deferred, but only worsen, is not the same as diabetes, which is treatable by an insulin shot. This condition forced me to stop playing high school football at the age of 16 as it was awful during puberty (unprovoked knee dislocations every few days). Honestly, I have no intention of living through that hell of random knee dislocations and several days of swelling just for a little bit of exercise. I would prefer to stick with a low-impact elliptical machine for exercise, which does not elicit similar symptoms that I began to see gradually evolve through my short stint with the gym.
September 17, 2008
billing continues after cancellaing the membership
Hi,
I have a complaint.
My account number is 291130
On june 4th or 5th, 2008 I phoned the customer sevice to pay off the total amount due including the cancellation fee. Sum of amount 210.94( this includes everything cancellation fee and amount due). Ireceived a letter that my account is canceled already no dues from last.
Then now they come back saying you have amount due of 300 dolalrs last week and again when i phoned today they say 140 is due.
Whats happening i am confused. from where this balance coming from.
On June 5 th when i spoke to customer service representative she clerarly confirmed me that i am done with all payemnts due and there si nothing on my bill.
My intension was to clear all dues on that day before going on vacation then why i would leave any balance. I paid 210.94 towards clearing all dues.
When i report any issue they say they will call me but never call me.

I don't know whats happening.
Could you please look into
September 2, 2008
Fraudelent Billing
I complained to ASF International about over-billing me and that I requested cancellation of my membership contract months ago. Chris Peterson, Customer Relations Manager at ASF International responded to my Better Business Complaint stating that he disagreed with my overall complaint although he AGREED that they were billing me more than the MEMBERSHIP CONTRACT AMOUNT. In his words, "The cancellation procedures require Mr. Pauls to be current on his payments before we can cancel his membership. Based on that, he will not be receiving a refund and is actually due for July and August. Once we receive payment, we can finalize his cancellation." Upon receiving this response, I immediately paid the amount that they said was due as a good faith effort towards resolving this matter. The amount was minimal and I thought it best to stop their flow of income from my wallet before I move my complaint to the next legal punitive tier. Of course, cancellation was not finalized and I received another bill for September MEMBERSHIP, along with $49.00 in 'fees' which are unfounded. It never ends. There is nothing ethical or reasonable about this company.
July 14, 2008
Harassing billing
In March of 2008 I joined a self-defense class (Krav Maga). I loved the class but was injured while mountain biking and injured my ribs. The injury was severe enough to keep from the gym so I cancelled my membership over the phone with ASF. I was assured there was no problem at this time. Then in May of 2008 I started receiving threatening letters from ASF claiming my injury was not reason enough, according to the contract, to discontinue my membership. On 5/19/08 I sent ASF a letter in response to their claim and then followed it up with a phone call to ASF on 5/20 but got transferred around to so many people I gave up.
Since then I have received at least four more threatening and harassing letters, each time I respond it is ignored, Now
ASF is threatening me with collections and other legal action.

At this point I feel like I am banging my head against a wall! No one at ASF seems able to understand that I will not pay for a service which I physically cannot use! If you can help, great, if not, please don't waste my time.

I thank you in advance!!
David
February 18, 2008
Have been billed after canceling service
This company has been withdrawing money out of my account even though i have canceled the account over a year ago. I noticed that i was being billed and notified them immediately. Their "records" never indicated that i canceled. The cancellation was done over the phone and in person with the agency that asf was with holding for. I have tried multiple times to correct this situation over the phone and each time i have been told that it was never canceled because it wasnt in writing. After reviewing my copy of the contract it was found that technically they were never authorized to with hold any money. I have no problem paying for what was used but i dont feel it fair or just for them to continually bill me. I have put a stop payment with my bank because they would not stop and now they are continually billing me and adding on other charges. Please help me with this annoying situation. Thank you

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