College Pro Painters
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College Pro Painters Reviews
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ilosttwentythousanddollars
July 8, 2009
Want To Lose $20k? Join College Pro!
I am a 19 year old University student and when I heard I could make $10k-$90k in a summer with College Pro I decided to find out more info. After going through two interviews with my general manager I had a thrid where we would go over the contract and I could ask questions. Here are the "expectations" of a franchisee that he laid out for me:
- Working 10-20 hrs/week January to May, 60-80 hrs/week May and June, 20 hrs/week July and August
- To start up a solid business would cost me roughly $2k from my pocket, College Pro finances the rest
- Most managers make $30k to $90k in one summer
- Full training on how to estimate, paint, and sell provided by College Pro
After hearing this I dicussed it with my parents and we decided I should/could do it. little did I know signing that contract would be the biggest mistake of life. Here is the reality of those "expectations" that were laid out for me during the interview:
- Working 30-40 hours/week January to May (Very little time for school let alone anything else)
Working 90-110 hrs/week May and June (Every waking minute is spent working)
- Starting up my business cost me $15k from my pocket and College Pro financed $7k worth of useless garbage that they make even more money on (such as papers, logos, signs, marketing programs which have zero effect)
- Most managers either fail or make less than $10k ( I have to mention there was actually one that made $60k or above in a summer)
- One day spent learning how to paint a house ( you then have to train your painters with that little knowledge you gained in one day on the most importan aspect of your business)
- Two weekends spent learning how to sell
- One day spent learning how to estimate AFTER you've done 10-20 estimates already
I quit being a manager beginning of June after I started losing even more money by painting! That's right, once I started painting I was losing even more money than the initial $20k because all of my estimates were apparently wrong and my painters didn't know how to paint because I didn't know how to paint. College Pro of course makes money though, 24% off every job plus you have to pay for other expenses of theirs which equals about 35% in total. The only people making money was College Pro, my painters were making less than minimum wage because the budgets are too short to allow a quality job. The end result was half a year spent working and over $20, 000 of debt incurred. That's enough to pay for my entire tuition! Not to mention all the things I could have been done that I gave up so I could make College Pro Money.
There are countless of other reveiws out there that say similar or worse things about College Pro. If you are thinking of being a manager or painter, or getting your house painted, be very cautious by doing lots of research and using good judgement. I would personally not recommend this company to ANYONE and think the word should be spread about how they rip off young students.
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ThePainter
June 3, 2009
Aweful Company to work for
College Pro Painters is an aweful company. Their goal is to lure naive college students into thinking that they can make thousands of dollars during the course of a summer running a franchise under them. What they don't tell you is that they have such high start-up costs and franchise fees, it takes a liar, a theif, and a dishonest person to come out above negative. They don't tell you that it will cost 15, 000 dollars to start up the business (which is a LOT for a poor college student already in thousands of dollars in debt). Ok, ok, starting a business is expensive, and 15, 000 might be ok, but its the franchise fee on top of it that is astronomical. Out of every job you paint, you automatically send them 31% of the total job. On top of that, they encourage you to pay your painters 30%. If everything goes as according to plan (which seldom does), you look at making about 25% max per job. That's aweful! They don't tell you until after you sign on that you have to pay all of this. We went through break-even points in one of the training sessions and I calculated mine to be about 54, 000 bucks. Thats right $54, 000 in business before you see any money at all! And that's if you get good people who actually work hard. Anything goes wrong (employees slow, or wasting materials), you can kiss that $54, 000 goodbye. I found that in order to make money under this company, you have to lie, you have to be dishonest, and you have to cut corners. I am not surprised when I read the many complaints about dishonest managers, because they have to do it if they want to make money. I myself do not tolerate it. Working for the people they have hired is a nightmare. The guys above you (your general manager) is supposed to be there to help you in case you start going under. According to them they "have a system in which they can tell as soon as you start losing money" so that they can "help you get back to where you need to be". That is complete bull crap. They wait until you are $22, 000 in debt (my experience), before they offer any help at all. By then its too late for anything. And even when they started "helping" me, they took over job sites of mine and gave me "free" labor at the price of having to fix my managers mistakes. That's right! I had to FIX my manager's painting mistakes, who was supposed to be the "all-star painter". Thankfully the homeowner trusted me because he almost filed a lawsuit against the company for the damage they had done to my job site and the lies they told the homeowner to cover it up. This happened to me on 2 different job sites, and I was the one who had to spend the time fixing the mistakes of them. Getting compensated for my time to fix all this was like pulling teeth. They didn't want to give up any of the money they had made off of me. And again, the only reason I was in the negative in the first place was because I was honest. I even had a friend as a manager who ran a quarter million dollar business and only came out with 10 grand. If you have to run that size a business to see any money at all, something is wrong. I managed 44 jobs last summer and out of those, I had to paint or fix 32 of them. And I still came out above a 90% satisfaction rating. I even had to take a semester off of school to make up for the debt they caused me. I could have either stayed at my 22 grand and gone back, or I could've worked to hopefully pay it down. I wasn't lazy and it wasn't like I didn't know how to manage. I did everything they told me. They even encouraged me at times to go against their own contract. Oh and one other thing, if you have any debt with them, they let you keep NOTHING. This means that if you have to pay for gas, food, or even rent during the course of the summer, good luck getting them to let you have any money for it whatsoever. This company preys on unsuspecting college students who think they can make money doing this. My advice, STAY AWAY. DO NOT give them any business and certainly DO NOT work for them. YOU WILL get screwed in some way.
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October 17, 2008
Terrible experience
The reason College pro stays in business has nothing to do with doing quality work. The reason they make money is because they are a franchise operation - they take no risks. They take the first 25% of all money the Franchise Manager generates as a royalty. If the Franchise Manager turns out to be bad, it is in his best interest to continue plugging away and being bad because he will face a $2, 000 fine if he quits or is fired, in addition to any bills College Pro charges him. Not to mention what happens to a kid who is in debt 5 or 6 grand just for sucking at his job. Oh, and the GM - the guy who manages the Franchise Managers - his biggest job is damage control.
Because College Pro makes money whether the Franchisees are good or bad, their top priority is getting kids to sign the Franchise Agreement and go sell jobs. There will always be customers who don't do their research and buy into the image that College Pro projects. College Pro is not invested in doing quality work on your home or helping you succeed in business. They are invested in a phony image and getting young, inexperienced kids to buy into it.
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August 15, 2008
terrible experience
We had an estimate done by college pro painters, and gave a cash deposit. No one showed up on the day scheduled day to complete or start the work. Our phone calls went unreturned for months. After filing several formal complaints within the company we did get one phone call with a "promise" to return our deposit. 4 months later we still have not received our money back and again cannot get any phone calls returned. would not recommend this company.
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August 8, 2008
Terrible Experience across the board
we hired college pro painters to paint the trim on our house this summer at a cost of $3400. i will never recommend this company.
here are a few bullets about my experience:
- poor quality
> the paint was applied with lousy finger rollers and brushes - glopped on the soffits unevenly
> there were between 25-50 'holidays' that i had to point out multiple times
- little/no masking
> there were big roller marks on the siding & many drips on the porch - the most basic tenet of painting is keeping the workspace clean!
- terrible cleanup
> they spun their brushes next to the house, leaving white paint on my siding - never cleaned it
> they spun their brushes next to our Adirondack chair, leaving white paint on the chair - never cleaned it
> 2 weeks after the manager is gone, their safety anchor remains nailed to my roof and i have no idea when he intends to come get it (though i asked him to)
- no follow-through
> the manager was almost never at my house when he committed to be.
> at the conclusion of the job, i agreed to give the manager a high rating on quality based on his commitment that he'd come back within a week to clean up my porch. with no call within a week, i called him and told him to forget it...and forget any hopes of high satisfaction.
- unprofessional workers
> the first day, two workers showed up before the manager and asked me what they were supposed to be doing
> my wife overheard the workers talking about porn -- and she heard them from inside the house. look, i'm far from perfect, but you have to be cognizant of your surroundings in a service environment.
after the job, the franchise owner actually reminded me that theirs was a service-industry and tipping was okay. are you kidding me?
i will say two things: one, the manager was a nice guy. i liked him. i wanted him to succeed. i still do. two, he put on more coats of paint than we'd agreed, which was above his call of duty.
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July 28, 2008
Incompetent idiots
College Pro is a nightmare. They try and make you think that their "strategy" is spraying primer and then scraping so that they can see the flaked paint- idiotic. They don't show up, and I hired my previous guy to help out along side and I learned that the CP workers walked off the job. But the manager called me and told me that he has taken them off the job for a week so he can get more guys to help -ridiculous. Meantime the painters gave my guy their phone number to hire them behind College Pros back! I have no idea when this will end or what to do - the house is half primed and I have no confidence in them finishing without doing damage.
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July 9, 2008
Avoid this company
I think we're all beginning to see a pattern here. College Pro is a dishonest company capable of quite a bit of damage. I wrote the thing about paint chips below. The story gets better!:
In "honouring" our warranty this summer, we've still not seen any work done. Furthermore, I received a phone call from some sort of customer service person for College Pro today asking how our warranty work went. When I explained that it hadn't even begun, the woman on the phone explained that she had a sheet in front of her stating that I was pleased with the warranty work, and had signed off on it. SOMEONE FROM THIS COMPANY FORGED MY SIGNATURE!
I know, I know. This doesn't sound true...but it's completely true, and a total nightmare. Again, AVOID THIS COMPANY!
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