On thursday-morning 10 Februari we booked with eDream:
this is what we received:
Confirmed booking – pending of payment
- Reservation number Z64OYY
Information on your booking
Status of your booking
Important !
We are currently checking a problem we have detected with your bank card during the payment process. As soon as we have verified that everything is correct we will send you a ticket as indicated below. If it is not possible to complete the payment with the credit card provided we will contact you by email to inform you of how your ticket can be issued.
If we do not encounter any problems during the payment process, the ticket for this reservation will be issued in the form of an electronic ticket (e-ticket). The confirmation of the e-ticket will be sent as a second email to the email address specified below. You will not be sent any paper documentation.
Next steps:
1. Your reservation is confirmed but has not been paid. Please wait until we contact you again before making a new reservation. Your reservation is confirmed. You will see the details and flight itinerary below.
2. If the data is exact, we will charge the ticket to your bank card and send you an e-mail confirming the purchase. Do not go to the airport before receiving the second confirmation e-mail from eDreams. This second e-mail will be sent to you once we have verified the exactness of the reservation and that your card has been charged for the corresponding amount.
So we waited for the second email, the e-Ticket
Then friday-morning:
-- On Fri, 2/11/11, Elena Atanasova <
[email protected]> wrote:
From: Elena Atanasova <
[email protected]>
Subject: Z64OYY
To:
[email protected]
Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 6:46 AMDear customer,
Regarding your flight reservation with eDreams, we must inform you that the actual fare of your flight has changed from 370.24 eur to 448.24 eur
Would you still like to confirm the reservation? Please let us know as soon as possible.
We apologise for the inconvenience.
Best Regards
our reply,
From: ganbolor oyundari [mailto:
[email protected]]
Sent: sábado, 12 de febrero de 2011 02:43
To: Elena Atanasova
Subject: Re: Z64OYY
WHAT?
70 euro more without giving any specific reason?
Are you crazy?
I have a booking-/confirmation from you, sent and printed Thursday.
I consider this legally binding.
I send a screenshot in an attachement.
What kind of company are you?
Kinds regards,
F van der Harst,
Ulaan Baatar Mongolia
-- On Sat, 2/12/11, Elena Atanasova <
[email protected]> wrote:
From: Elena Atanasova <
[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Z64OYY
To: "'ganbolor oyundari'" <
[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 4:23 AM
Dear customer,
We would like to remind you that our fares can only be guaranteed for 24hrs. This period includes week-ends and bank holidays.
Please let us know if you would like to make a new reservation, so that we can cancel the reservation Z64OYY.
Kind regards
Elena Atanasova
Flights Department
[email protected]
From: ganbolor oyundari [mailto:
[email protected]]
Sent: sábado, 12 de febrero de 2011 15:21
To: Elena Atanasova
Subject: RE: Z64OYY
Sorry mss Atanasova, I think you don't understand the real situation.
You can not hold me responsible for not answering you within 24 hours, if you don't want to take into account that there is a 7 -hours time-difference between UlaanBaatar/Mongolia and Spain. I have checked my mail every 5 minutes, since replying to your mail yesterday-evening.
As said, we live in Ulaan Baatar, Mongolia.
The reservation Z64OYY is for a flight from Beijing to Bangkok, two way, for my 20-yr-old daughter.
She is on the way to the airport in Beijing, with a printed confirmation of her flight-booking from your company in her pocket, but no telephone or other means of communication.
She left Ulaan Baatar 28 hours ago by train, Friday-afternoon, thinking her flight-reservation was all in order, since my credit-card would take care of payment.
Then late friday-evening you tell me my card has 'some problem'.
My card has no problem at all, it has a 2500 euro daily limit.
Ulaan Baatar and Beijing are 2500 km apart, she travels by train and bus, about 42 hours altogether, and you ask me if I want to change my reservation?
Of course not!!!
And still you gave me no reason for the sudden 75 euro price-hike.
Tonight or tomorrow-morning she will arrive in Beijing, and will check this mail-address.
If there is no confirmation of payment, and she read this conversation, she will go immediately to the offices of SouthernChina Airlines herself, she speaks fluent Chinese.
If they refuse her the ticket that you have reserved for her, for the price stated in the confirmation, I see no other way than to hold you and your company liable for the ensuing costs.
I may be far away, and have no personal face for you, but I am not crazy nor stupid.
So please bill my credit card for the amount of €370, 24, and send us a confirmation of that.
Greetings,
F van der Harst,
Ulaan Baatar
---After sending the email above, I called International Card Services in Holland, who issued my VISA-card, they said there was no problem, and indeed eDreams has tried to withdraw 370 euro from my card-account, BUT HAD THEN CANCELLED THAT…
I sent the email below:
Dear Mss Atanasove
For safety's sake I have called my credit-card-company, ICS, they have assured me there is absolutely nothing wrong with my credit.
They stated that eDreams tried to charge me for 370 euro, which was OK'd, AND THEN WITHDREW THAT REQUEST, thursday-morning Februari 10, European time.
Which to me means, it is not my fault that certain time-frames are running out.
SO I repeat my questions:
Why do you try to charge me 75 euro's more?
Why do you not trust my credit-card, if even ICS says I am totally OK?
Why do you send flight-confirmations if they are worth nothing?
Why do you you blame me for delays which are surely NOT my fault?
I did some reading in complaints-blogs on the net, it seems you as a company solve problems only AFTER they end upon the Big Bad Blogosfere.
Rest assured I will do my utmost best to make sure EVERY visitor to your website will know about how you treat your customers.
My daughter will show up well in time Monday-morning to catch flight CZ3180, and we hold you responsible if she is not to fly then and there.
And FYI, that is Morning-time BEijing-time!!!
An angry father,
F van der Harst
UlaanBaataar
Mongolia.
They relplied swiftly:
Dear madam,
We already refunded the amount on your credit card ( I m sending you the provment) and the only option for paing this reservation is bank tranfer. have in mind that the reservation is confirm,
but there is no ticket issued. As soon as we recive the bank transfer we can issue the ticket.
50696908 10/02/2011 08:52 PAID 375.34 EUR VINT OK
50696908 10/02/2011 08:52 REFUNDED 375.34 EUR VINT
Confirmación o Refund finalizado con éxito
Elena Atanasova
Flights Department
[email protected]
Then I sent this, and she put her answers in between`:
--- On Sat, 2/12/11, Elena Atanasova <
[email protected]> wrote:
From: Elena Atanasova <
[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Z64OYY-2
To: "'ganbolor oyundari'" <
[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 9:27 AM
Dear madam,
Please find bellow the answers of your questions. Have a nice evening!
kind regards,
Elena Atanasova
Flights Department
[email protected]
From: ganbolor oyundari [mailto:
[email protected]]
Sent: sábado, 12 de febrero de 2011 15:58
To: Elena Atanasova
Subject: RE: Z64OYY-2
Saturday, February 12, 2011, 9:27 AM
Dear madam,
Please find bellow the answers of your questions. Have a nice evening!
For safety's sake I have called my credit-card-company, ICS, they have assured me there is absolutely nothing wrong with my credit.
They stated that eDreams tried to charge me for 370 euro, which was OK'd, AND THEN WITHDREW THAT REQUEST, thursday-morning Februari 10, European time.
Which to me means, it is not my fault that certain time-frames are running out.
SO I repeat my questions:
Why do you try to charge me 75 euro's more?
*The only option of payment for this reservation is bank transfer, and till we not recive the payment we can not garantee the price of the ticket.
Why do you not trust my credit-card, if even ICS says I am totally OK?
*It is for security messures and it is part of the company rules.
Why do you send flight-confirmations if they are worth nothing?
*The first email is reservation only. You have to recive second email with e ticket.
Why do you you blame me for delays which are surely NOT my fault?
**no answer!!**
I did some reading in complaints-blogs on the net, it seems you as a company solve problems only AFTER they end upon the Big Bad Blogosfere.
Rest assured I will do my utmost best to make sure EVERY visitor to your website will know about how you treat your customers.
My daughter will show up well in time Monday-morning to catch flight CZ3180, and we hold you responsible if she is not to fly then and there.
And FYI, that is Morning-time BEijing-time!!!
An angry father,
F van der Harst
UlaanBaataar
Mongolia.
3 o'clock in the morning, I paid €370 Bank to Bank, then sent this email:
You really need to learn emails:
1) -I am a FATHER, not a 'madam'.
2) -you don't answer my question about HOW MUCH I should pay Bank-to-Bank.
3) -you don't answer wether a screenshot-PDF will do as proof-of-payment.
On the first error only you can act, the other two I have done to my best possibilities:
-I just paid 370 euro and a trifling to mentioned bank account, in London.
-I have made screenshots of that transaction as it show up in my online-bank website, as I have really no way of sending a fax from Mongolia at this hour (Sunday-morning 03.00 AM)
Please find them attached as PDF.
And now I will get some sleep, and not be able to answer any email for 8 hours.
F van der Harst
Ulaan Baatar
Mongolia
All Sunday it was extremely quiet, although I checked mail very ten minutes.
We were worried that we heard nothing of either daughter or Atanasova, but hey, it seemed to work.
No news is sometimes good news.
As I mentioned above, our daughter had departed Friday-afternoon by Mongolian local train to Zamin-UUd on the Chinese border, to arrive 6 in the morning the next day, Saturday.
She then hopped across with a border-crossing-bus service, she had bought a ticket for this in UB.
In the Chinese border-town of Erlian she was to take a sleeper-bus to Bejing, trusting that there would be place.
These busses normally run every two hours, and take 10-12 hours to get there.
But because of New-Year, there were so little passengers that several busses were cancelled.
She arrived in Bejing Sunday-morning early, found a cheap hotel, and spent the day in Beijing looking around, thinking her ticket to Bangkok was in order.
For assorted reasons Oyundairi did not contact us, but hey, why should she?
She took an early nap and Sunday-morning 4.00 Oyundairi showed up in Bejing Capital Airport, 3 hours before flight-time.
As feared, no ticket, no reservation, no name, no eDreams, nothing.
Big fight, lot's of angry people, big energy-sucking mess.
Eventually she went back to the city to contact us, as she did not want to use the $10/hour internet in the airport.
Our Valentine-Monday morning started with a nice conversation, we found a better flight, Dragon-Air, of which the offices are right outside the internet-cafe where she was.
I sent her to buy a ticket for cash money there.
I hope that works, and she will fly to Bangkok later today.
And I wrote an email to Ms Atanasova, again:
Good morning, Ms Atanasova,
I hope your morning will be as perfect as my weekend was wretched.
This morning my daughter Oyundairi went to Bejing Capital Airport, to fly to Bangkok, but there was no reservation or ticket in her name, even though I paid BtB on Saturday as you said I had to do.
I suppose something went wrong in all the confusion about BtB and supposedly non-working credit-cards, or maybe time-zones.
Also Southern China Airlines assured her that flying to Bangkok for the price suggested on your website is absolutely impossible.
Please advise those in charge of your web-search-machine.
I don't do this everyday, and judging from your replies to my questions, you do neither.
So let's forget about trying to book a ticket through you and your company.
It seems eDreams is really that, just a dream.
Now, about the money:
I consider nothing of this all my fault, as I also outline in a copy of our conversation below.
I already transferred €370.24 to the bank-account of eDreams in London, please be so good as to send it back without delay.
And don't dare to subtract not even a cent for 'transfer-costs' or 'reservations' or whatever idea you may come up with!
My bank details:
F van der Harst, Breda.
ING-bank Amsterdam
Account nr 3816013
IBAN ING NL37 INGB 0003816013
Thanx so far,
I hope this is the last email I need to write to you,
have a nice life.
F van der Harst, Ulaan Baatar.
Around lunchtime in Europe I sent another one:
Hi Ms Atanasova,
How's your Monday coming along?
Mine is pretty f**cked up.
What about refunding my 370 Euro?
Grt
F van der Harst
Ulaan Baatar,
Mongolia.
After lunch I sent another slightly polite request:
Hi ms Atanasova, how was your lunch?
Mine was reasonably horrible.
My daughter is on the way from Bijing to Bangkok COMPLETELY not due to your efforts.
Quite the contrairy.
It is now evening here in Ulaan Baatar, and I think it high time for you to react.
I might get some sleep tonight.
Below I have copied all details for you, just to make sure we are talking about the same shit.
Please reply as quickly as you did before, before I sent my money your way.
Grt
F vander Harst
Ulaan Bataar,
Mongolia.