COMING FROM A PAST EMPPLOYEE OF TATES...there are a million in 1 things that suck about tates the natural miracle conditioner, , , ist off the name is VERY misleading because all of the products are far from being natural and organic... The only miracle that could occur with tates is shutting down. for those of u that are concerned YES KATHYS FAMILY IS AFFIALTED WITH TATES., you will be harassed by both companys because the owner duznt noe the first step as to running a buisness... for those of u who know the owners names to be Lester or Genoveve your wrong his name is STEVE DEVENSTO and hes a PERVERT... the buisness is ran in a small house that is absolkutley DISKUSTING really dirty certaintly not proffesional to any extent... your product is not made in massachuests its orderd i believe from sallys and is only packed in the basement of this soo called buisnesss. be perpaared for your order to be double the amount you originally wanted and if u pay with a credit card expect to be charged atleast twice for the same order... the telemarketers are trained to harass and fool you for your money. The owner of this company steve devensto is the weirdest indivual i ever met he tried asking me to do sexual things for money hhahahahhahha what a loser im pretty sure he is paying one of the other girls woprking their currently to engage in sexual activity with him GROSSS if u saw him u would puke..